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Subject:

Re: Ted Williams fielding - some context

From:

Ian Thistle <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Ian Thistle <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 12 May 2008 12:40:17 -0400

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Smaller / less useful gloves, poorer lights, worse-kept fields (especially
infields), reusing balls more often...there were lots of reasons.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Steve Ouellette <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Interesting the high number of errors back then. Wonder if it was that
> tiny
> glove or more strict official scorers.
>
> Steve O
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:26 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > To put Ted Williams fielding into some context - looking at error rates
> > for contemporary players versus older ones from a fielding perspective
> is
> > virtually useless, especially if focusing on fielding average.   The
> > record for errors by an outfielder is 36 by Cy Seymour, in 1903.   Some
> > hall of famers, considered excellent fielders, who had single season
> error
> > rates greater than Ted include Tris Speaker, who had 25 errors in 1913,
> > and Ty Cobb, with 22 in 1912.  Over their careers, a group of hall of
> fame
> > caliber outfielders and their numbers of seasons with more than 10
> errors
> > includes Mel Ott (2 times), Mantle (1), Ruth (6), Speaker (13),
> Cobb(14),
> > Simmons (2), Klein (7), Crawford(7), Joe Dimaggio(3), and the list is by
> > no means exhaustive.  Dom Dimaggio made 10+ errors 5 times in his
> career.
> > Would anyone seriously argue he was an inferior fielder to Ted?  And if
> we
> > do wish to revert to fielding percentage, Teds career fielding average
> is
> > .979, .001 point less than the major league average during his career
> > (.980).  So I think its accurate to say Ted was an average outfielder,
> and
> > virtually impossible to find a metric or anecdote that suggests he was
> > anything less than that.
> >
> > The Lahman database is an easy way to fritter away a rainy morning.
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> >
>

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