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BOSOX  October 2009, Week 2

BOSOX October 2009, Week 2

Subject:

Re: [GS] what a playoff game that was!!!

From:

Bob Beach <[log in to unmask]>

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Bob Beach <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:10:37 -0500

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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> OK then. I was just checking your pulse.
> Of course your point is well taken. "Greatest", unless accompanied by 
> a specific list of criteria, is a totally subjective term. In the set 
> of ballplayers who were given up to St Mary's School for Boys in 
> Baltimore, the Babe was the greatest without question.
> But I also think that among the set of players who played in the Major 
> Leagues, set records both as pitchers and hitters, played so far above 
> the level of his peers that he had no peers, single handedly saved the 
> game after the Black Sox scandal and affected the game so much that he 
> is still the face of the sport, the Babe was indeed the greatest 
> ballplayer ever.




     I don't know.  First and foremost before I say anything I want it 
understood I am not putting Babe Ruth down.  His accomplishments and 
abilities are well chronicled and respected.  He was indeed a great 
player and one of the best ever.  With that said, I still get a little 
puzzled when people say with all certainty that "Babe Ruth was without 
question the best ever".


     The game was such a different game in the 20's than it has been 
even the last 25 years.  There were fewer teams, no night games, St. 
Louis was the farthest point West so only one time zone change, no 
African American or Latin players, no relief specialist/closers, and on 
and on.  Beyond that today the nutrition recommendations, physical 
training, and sports medicine today are not even comparable to the 
20's.  It is light years difference.  And because of that today's player 
is much better conditioned and cared for.


     You mentioned greatness is compared to what skill set you are 
evaluating.  I agree totally which is why I have a problem naming anyone 
the single best ever.  In order to do that I would have to see the great 
players of every era compete in every era which is, of course, 
impossible.  Several other things about the Ruth legend.  We know all 
about his hitting and pitching.  Do we know anything about his base 
running, fielding, outfield arm, what kind of ground he covered in the 
outfield, etc?  I don't.  Whenever I see anything on Ruth it is about 
his pitching and hitting.  I was born in 1949 and I have always 
maintained Willie Mays is the best all around player that has played in 
my lifetime.  I honestly can't say Ruth was a better ball player than 
was Mays (and I am talking total player).  There were things Ruth was 
certainly better at but I seriously believe Mays had it over Ruth in 
certain areas as well.


      I'll even throw some Sox content in here.  Dewey Evans was the 
best defensive right fielder I ever saw and Roberto Clemente was just a 
split hair behind.  Ruth played right field.  It would be highly 
questionable in my mind if he played right field better than either 
Clemente or Dewey seeing Ruth's body build.  Are Evans and Clemente the 
greatest of all time?  At playing right field very possibly.  Are either 
of them the greatest player ever?  Very unlikely.  To me to be the 
greatest player you have to excel in every area of the game.


      I doubt there is a stat kept for this but I would be interested in 
knowing how many of Ruth's home runs came from the sixth inning on?  The 
reason for that is for the most part pitchers went an entire game and by 
that time were tiring.  Today Ruth wouldn't see a tired pitcher in the 
6th - 9th innings.  He would very likely see a fresh hard throwing set 
up man for a couple of innings followed by a better closer.


      I have rambled here and apologize for that.  Babe Ruth was 
certainly a great player and meant a lot, and still does, to MLB.  I 
also agree he is the face of MLB.  It could be very likely he was 
instrumental in saving the game.  But, naming him unquestionably the 
greatest single player ever in all the years of MLB?  To me that is 
difficult thing to do for any player including Ruth.


-- 
Bob Beach



Man is never too old to learn. Man only becomes too old when the process 
of learning stops.

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