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BOSOX  October 2015, Week 1

BOSOX October 2015, Week 1

Subject:

Re: who to root for?

From:

Bill Manson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Bill Manson <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:08:02 -0400

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I'll Echo Ian Thistle.  This is the right year for the Jays.  (Besides,
they made the Yankees' life difficult.)

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Eric B <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Great thread:
>
> I am pulling for Toronto and the Pirates to get to the WS.
>
> I will root for any team playing the Cubs, they had heads on their Topps
> team-cards in the early 80's and I never liked them for that.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Tim Zenchak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I do give Toronto credit for making aggressive moves, but good GM moves
> > don't only have to be tied to bringing in established superstars.
> >
> > Here is the full article that I will reference:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.piratesprospects.com/2015/10/first-pitch-neal-huntington-had-a-career-year-with-value-moves.html
> >
> > And here are some hightlights:
> >
> > Let’s start with that Russell Martin move. Huntington was fortunate to
> > land Martin when he did. He out-bid the Yankees by a few million at a
> time
> > when all people could see was Martin’s low batting average. The next
> > season, everyone started to notice the previously hidden defensive
> values,
> > including pitch framing. Martin’s value exploded, and he ended up signing
> > an $82 M guaranteed deal this off-season. The Pirates couldn’t match
> that,
> > and had to try and find a replacement.
> >
> > They went with Francisco Cervelli, who has managed to put up better
> > numbers this year than Martin. Cervelli has been worth a 3.9 WAR heading
> > into the final weekend of the season, and he is only making $987,500.
> That
> > means the Pirates are paying him about $250,000 per WAR. Toronto ended up
> > paying Martin about $2.2 M per WAR this year, although that comes with
> the
> > disclaimer that Martin’s salary was only $7 M, and the heavy lifting
> comes
> > later in the deal. If you use the average of Martin’s deal, the amount
> goes
> > to a little over $5 M per WAR.
> >
> > Then there was the addition of Jung-ho Kang, which looked like the steal
> > of the off-season. Kang was worth 3.9 WAR before his injury, and was
> making
> > $2.5 M this year. That’s a rate of $640,000 per WAR. Even if you include
> > his $5 M posting fee into the Pirates’ costs, and use all of that this
> > year, you get $1.92 M per WAR, which is well below the market rate.
> >
> > What makes this better is that Cervelli is under team control for the
> 2016
> > season, while Kang still has four years of control on his deal, which
> would
> > have a ton of value if he’s able to return from his injuries with no
> major
> > drop off in production.
> >
> > Fast forward to the trade deadline, and the Pirates found another steal.
> > With A.J. Burnett injured and a sudden replacement needed, they traded
> for
> > J.A. Happ, sending Adrian Sampson out in the process. Sampson was a
> Grade C
> > pitcher, giving him a trade value of $2.5 M. Happ has been worth 2.0 WAR
> > since the trade, and has cost the Pirates about $2.38 M. All things
> > considered, the Pirates paid about $2.44 M per WAR for Happ at the
> > deadline. That’s amazing when you consider what the two big name rentals
> > ended up producing for their teams.
> >
> >
> >
> > "To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift" - Steve
> > Prefontaine
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Boston Red Sox Baseball Mailing List [mailto:
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian Thistle
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 10:25 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [BOSOX] who to root for?
> >
> > Toronto made the smartest moves over the last year plus and I like to see
> > good GM performance rewarded. Their boldness at the deadline is also a
> plus
> > in my book. While they have had some poor seasons recently, they never
> > seemed to have a season where they weren't trying to compete in order to
> > grab high draft picks, which can't be said of Houston, Chicago and
> perhaps
> > arguably Pittsburgh. Go Jays.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Bill Nowlin <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ditto to what Ted Fischer wrote:
> > >
> > > Cubs, Pirates, and Royals for me. Long droughts and good baseball
> towns.
> > >
> > > I will add:
> > >
> > > As for tonight's game, Cubs.  Longer drought.  (Sorry, Tim Zenchak.)
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Bill Manson

"If you think you're the smartest person in the room, You're probably in
the wrong room." -- Taylor Swift

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